Friday, October 12, 2007

Islam is an idol worshiping religion.

I contend that Islam is an idol worshiping religion. When I say this, it would be surmised that I am out to create mischief because it is universally understood that Islam is dead against idol worship. But I do not level this charge to taunt the Muslims out of any spite. I love Muslims. They are as human as anyone else. But my problem is with the claim of Islam that it does not believe in idol worship.

In fact all worship is idol worship. It is not possible to worship except that worship be idol worship. The condition of idol worship is that there be a worshipper and a thing worshiped. Muslims might say that there is no “thing” that a Muslim worships. That what they worship is only the unimaginable power called Allah who created the universe. Be it so, except that they have a need to reduce that unimaginable power to a word “Allah”. A sound idol, I might say and the Muslim will say I am merely quibbling to provoke.

However, my deeper reason to accuse Muslims of being the idol worshipers they would rather die than admit is that Islam considers Allah, the creator, as separate from His creation. This means that when we, the creation or creature want to connect with Allah, we have perforce to turn outwards – ever so symbolically proved when the common Muslim raises his vision upwards when he wishes to thank Allah in ordinary conversation. Of course in formal prayers Muslims turn towards Mecca – which becomes the central point to which they direct their prayers. Add to this the fact that the central point contains a huge cube structure, which if the Muslims can get near enough they would lavishly kiss, completes the case that the Muslims are indeed idol worshippers.

The case becomes all the more apparent when we consider that there has been a successful ancient teaching called Adviata which even today continues to be the undercurrent of the oldest religion in the world – Hinduism. Advaita says that God is actually what we essentially are and is not a phenomenon separate from us whom we have to seek for outside and idolize concretely, as Hindu idol-worshippers do - or turn it into a faith, as Muslims do.

Muslims protest at any allegation that the Kaaba represents an idol through or with the help of which they worship Allah. They insist that they worship only Allah and pray directly to Allah. Which is why they find it impossible to even sing Vande Mataram because that would be tantamount for them to worshiping something other than Allah.

Therefore, we cannot ignore the basic question, “What is worship?” It would seem that worship, according to Islam, is the process taught by Mohammad which Muslims are expected to perform 5 times a day. However, it would surprise the reader to know that Mohammad himself was quoted in a hadidth to imply that worship is not merely an external form, its essence is indeed the internal state of mind. Mohammad went on to say that if the approach is right, even sex with one’s wife is worship and would be rewarded by Allah. This was said when his companions asked "How are we going to be rewarded for doing something we enjoy very much?" The Prophet asked them, "Suppose you satisfy your desires illegally, don't you think you will be punished for that?" They replied, "Yes." "So," he said, "by satisfying it legally with your wives, you are rewarded for it." The hadith or its commentary concludes, “This means, they - legitimate sexual intercourse - are acts of worship.”

While I am at present unable to vouch for the genuineness of the Hadith, but if true, it goes on to prove that for Mohammad the very act of living legitimately (as instructed by the Quran) is worship. It being so, and the Kaaba being the centre of the Hajj rituals, there is little doubt that kissing the blackstone embedded in the Kaaba forms a part of Islamic worship - idol worship, pure and simple.

Saying thus, I rest my case.

55 comments:

Venu said...

I wish to post a comment to my own blog! In today's (13.10.07) Asian Age, there is a picture with caption, "PRAYER TIME: A boy watches a man offering prayers at Pul-e-Khashti mosque in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Friday" and showed a child watching a man who was seated cross-legged on the prayer mat and looking into his palms held together before him. Here if I say that the palms have taken the place of idols, would I be far from the truth? I would also thereby be indicating that the Hindu too does not believe that his concrete idol is the be all and end all of God. He is at all times aware that the idols are only a means to get to the power of God and, if the Hindu is sufficiently into these things, he would know that he is eventually only trying to awaken the divinity within himself through his idol worship.

ஜயராமன் said...

Venu sir,

Apart from the estoric reasons mentioned by you, there are practical reasons why Islam is nothing but an idol worship.

Quran mentions about Allah's personality, his colour, his height and his postures. Allah is a personal God and he has a figure. Also, there are explanations about the paradise. Kaaba is a personal house of a personal God. Islam venerates holy things like stones in Kaaba which clearly prove that Islam is a idol worshipping cult - only difference is that it is expansitionist.

Jay

Anonymous said...

he he, pathetic Mr. knowledge. qoran never has spoken about Allah s figure, compexion, height. i appreciate if u dont try to relate worthless imaginations about god to islam.first u need to stop trying to misinterpate islam with a biased mind that s full of hatred tp islam.islam is sufficient to prove its authenticity itself, go for a reanalysis about the authenticity of ur so called religion hinduism.

Anonymous said...

venus..
we all have our beliefs and what you believe about islam isn't necessarily true but that's ok. however, you shouldn't educate others about something that you really know nothing about. if you were a muslim yourself you would feel differently about the very words that you wrote.

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Anonymous said...

When you dont know something you should learn and explore but not put across your ignorant thoughts as something intellectual.
Islam teaches believing in the unseen and following the commands of the Almighty that are there in the holy Quran.
Muslims do not bow down to any material things but to Allah the most powerful.
At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the ‘adhaan’ or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba, which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?

Anonymous said...

How stupid of you!!!
Hindus join hands in front of the idols and pray... so do they bow down to the idold or their joined hands????
Why are you trying to prove urself a fool?? u r already one...
If u really want to know what islam is.. then u better learn it from some authentic and real source instead of using ur own brain...

Unknown said...

islam is NOT an idol-worshipping religion. we dont need proof from any one. i understand your point of view, but you should consider mine as right.

MUNIS said...

YOU'RE ILLITERATE AND WE TURN TO KAABA OR KIBLAH WHICH MEANS "DIRECTION" BECAUSE THERE IS NO RICH OR POOR,ARAB, AMERICAN OR INDIAN, BIG OR SMALL, WE ALL ARE ONE IN THE EYE OF GOD SO WE PRAY TOWARDS ONE DIRECTION AND WE KISS IT BECAUSE IT HAS THE STONE SENT FROM HEAVEN BY GOD.

YOU SHOULD STUDY MORE ABOUT ISLAM BEFORE WRITING YOUR WORTHLESS AND POOR THOUGHTS.....YOU HINDUS ARE TRYING TO DEFEND YOUR STUPID IDOL WORSHIPING, TELL ME ONE GOOD REASON TO WORSHIP "KRISHNA".

Sakib(India) said...

Venu Your article shows the lack of knowledge about ISLAM and facts.
You are trying to defend your stupid idol worship by saying that ISLAM also is a Idol worshiping religions

Kaaba is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verse 144

1. Islam believes in fostering unity

For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.

2. Kaaba is at the Centre of the World Map

The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world map.

3. Tawaaf around Kaaba for indicating one God

When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram in Makkah, they perform tawaaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God, since, just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.

4. Hadith of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)

Regarding the black stone, hajr-e-aswad, there is a hadith (tradition), attributed to the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).

According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".

5. People stood on Kaaba and gave the adhaan

At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the ‘adhaan’ or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba, which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?


I think this is enough proof for you to prove that we muslims do not worship IDOLS.

So before writing your blog nexttime please do a research and publish only the truth and not your some Crap that you have in your mind

Arafat kazi said...

Hi Venu,

Every man has his perspective, right or wrong. If you believe what you believe, that should be for yourself and everyone yields what they sow.

The only reason I am taking the time to post a comment is to at least inform you that Islam is open to all, you can accept & practice Islam, for this is the path to success.

Regarding Idol worship, why do you bother, accept Islam, practice Islam to find out yourself?

You up for it?.

Warm regards,

Anonymous said...

Ok. There is always differences in various religions and the way one convey the same thought. One strong reason that i can unfold to support Idol worship is as follows.

Take any kindergarden child. Have you ever observed how the student is thought about English Alphabets? A for Apple, B for Ball C for Cat and so on Right?
This expression of alphabets is simply indicative of the nature and structure of human mind. For anything that he learns he needs a shape to be attached to it. I am sure this is how any student irrespective of religion is thought. As he grows up, he understand what are all the things he sees becasue everything has a shape. Now, if that being the case, why is that we are Sparing GOD alone without attaching a shape. If the religion truly does not believe in idol for worships, then people should not believe in any shapes they come accross in day to day life. Is it not? Am not a scholar of any relegion but I do understand the essence of what every religion teaches. Scholars are welcome to correct me if i am wrong. You can refer me by Mr. AW

Iqbal said...

My dear Venu,

If we talk about pure Hinduism, pure Islam, pure Christianity, etc., etc., one thing is common in all those and that is the basic thing to follow: All religions, in its pure form, mandates worship of one God having no image or physical structure. If you are really interested to follow Hinduism in correct way then you can read chapter 32 of Yajurveda. In it, it has been said that God Supreme or Supreme Spirit has no ‘Pratima’ or material shape. He cannot be seen directly by anyone. His name is so great that only the Name is enough to invoke Him. He pervades all beings and all directions.

Once you follow the Hinduism in correct, I am sure you will understand what Islam says.

Regards,
Iqbal Khan

Arya said...

Dear Brothers, I just want to say that all the religions are just man made except Hindu and each entity in the world is hindu. You were saying about islam let me tell you there is no word called hindu or hinduism in world this name was only given by muslims becuase india and arab have river between them which was called hindus and due to this we are getting called Hindus but there is no name or religion called hindus. Now let me tell you about idol worship every one(belongs to any religion) does idol worship and i can prove this but am not saying that they are worng or their religion is bad becuase final output of every one either hindu or muslim or from any religion is worhiping god and taking his name which can be shri krishna, allah, jesus or any thing else.. Just do one thing for me and you will know what is idol worship but please don't take it in wrong way.... just take one blank paper and write allah on it and then put this paper on earth and do loo on it if you can you are not idol worhipper and if you can't you are a idol worhiper....because that is only a peace of paper and you wrote allah but by writing allah on that paper means that paper become very preciour and pios you can't even distroy that paper by your hand same thing is idol worship.....one more thing i wanna tell you as per islam human can't make form of god but Allah name itself is man made which is also called a idol and all the muslim call god as allah and other 99 names which means you are giving name to god which is also idolism....

Anonymous said...

Arya,
Muslims will not bow to the paper even Allah name written in that.
Muslims respect that paper only because it has name of Allah
Muslims Recite 99 names of only one Allah. where is idol worship there.
Dont compare the creator with the creation.
The person who took birth is human being, a human being(even if he did miracles) can not be compared with the creator.
Open ur eyes and look around, the creation of universe is enough to know the power of the creator..You can not compare the creator with any one/thing.
He is pure and most powerful.
If u want u can read Quran for the signs given by the creator for his existance.

Anonymous said...

Hi anonymous...if you dont consider Allah as a human being,why did u mention that 'He is pure and most powerful'.The usage of "He"...what does that mean?

Anonymous said...

Dear brothers & also my friends, If ISLAM really does not believe that you can't see God then muslims can take shelter of the vedic text which give details of personal form of God simultaneously describing His impersonal form too.
Arjuna asks Krishna in Bhagavad Gita Ch 12 verse 1 Which are more perfect those who worship You or those who worship impersonal aspect of God? Krishna replies BG 12.2-12.4: those who worship me are most perfect. Also those who worship the impersonal conception of the Absolute Truth which is beyond perception of senses also acheive in at end. Then Krishna says in BG 12.5 those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progress in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.
In Gita Krishna declares Himself to be the source of all spiritual & material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise perfectly knowing this engage in serving me.(BG 10.8). Krishna also says in BG 7.7: mattah parataram nanyat i.e. there is no truth superior to me. Everything rests upon me like pearls are strung on a thread. (Note: you can't see the thread with normal material vision, you just see the pearls).
Krishna also encourages everyone irrespective of which religion he/she profess in Bg 18.66 that one take refuge(shelter) of Him alone & then He will protect & give ultimate liberation to that person.
So here is God Krishna. Since you don't know anything about God as of now so kindly accept Krishna for the time being as God till you find someone superior to Him(which you will not). your friend & brother manish, Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Abdulla Koya said...

Dear Mr. Venu, greetings of the season
First all please be informed that that a word is not a "thing".You "accuse Muslims" of being the idol worshipers"Why accuse?" It shows that you beleive that idlatotry was sin.Yes it is a great sin. Dear Venu, now since you have realised it, it is time to stop this sin against the only God and start worshipping Him alone."sex with one’s wife is worship" means it is a good deed merritting for reward from Allah,just like other good deeds that islam make compulsory or enourage.
with regads

Anonymous said...

Dear brothers and sisters My words are not to hurt but I feel that the stone as I see it is still an Idol I am a christian but in fact just because u belong to a church or religion as an example why do mainstream christians pray to mary or to the cross the bible speaks against this and what right does man have to change the sabbath to the pagan worship day sunday. As few religions such as sda or cop have kept the laws so in fact I pray to jesus not to mary or a cross or a statue. Forgive me for wondering but this subject is a double edge sword count the idols in a catholic church. again religion can corrupt as sheep will follow its up to u and I to seek and learn truth just because a priest may say this is what is open ur own bibles put man to the test.
Sorry for any typos

Anonymous said...

On the that fact is not the pope an idol. Remember the pharasis is it not so different to the vatican. An example of man before God the christian crusades on jerusalem the popes command was it was in the name of God and fight for forgiveness of sin can't only God do that no confession to man can but again crusades of butchering I say in the name off man. As we r all students of faiths y can't we learn together as divided in faith but not as people.

Anonymous said...

On the that fact is not the pope an idol. Remember the pharasis is it not so different to the vatican. An example of man before God the christian crusades on jerusalem the popes command was it was in the name of God and fight for forgiveness of sin can't only God do that no confession to man can but again crusades of butchering I say in the name off man. As we r all students of faiths y can't we learn together as divided in faith but not as people.

Anonymous said...

I stand down on my comment that I believe it is an idol I'm left undicided but does it matter in a sense no disrespect to fight clearly. Some people are attacking and defending with a narrow mind and its unfair to muslems to be attacked with out justice if anny attack warrents it I think not and I feel its fair to say hinduism plainly points out there idols if u r against this maybe have a think where u stand under faith religion or man

Anonymous said...

Hi Venu and Jayaraman,

Islam is NOT an idol-worshipping religion. We dont need to authenticate this from any one. I suggest, you please read the Quran, before you come up with such nonsense.

All religions, in its pure form, mandates worship of one God having no image or physical structure. If you are really interested to follow Hinduism in correct way then you can read chapter 32 of Yajurveda. In it, it has been said that God Supreme or Supreme Spirit has no ‘Pratima’ or material shape. He cannot be seen directly by anyone. His name is so great that only the Name is enough to invoke Him. He pervades all beings and all directions.

You Hindus have started worshipping the creations created by the Almighty including human beings as "Avatars", who performed magics......

Have you read about the biography of Lord Krishna, who is a seducer or womanizer in his youth, but you still worship him as an Ultimate protector.

Even you guys say chant Hare Rama Hare krishna and watch porn all night.

Anonymous said...

Don't dare talk sinful things about GOD, Lord Krishna was not a womanizer or seducer, you are looking from worldly point of view. All the ladies of Krishna's village loved The lord in spite of his childish mischieves. This is called Leela. They were much elder than the worldly form of the lord. They had complete faith in the lord. Lord Krishna took 16,000 forms and appeared individually in front of the girls. The biography doesn't tell that he had physical relations with the ladies. The materialists see this as perversion, but in fact these ladies were the true followers and witness of God. If you don't believe lord Krishna, plz visit Madhubani. The one who dares to visit during night comes out dumbstruck, cant bear the great love which The Lord has for his believers. Then the person becomes quiet and leaves this material world to merge into him within few days.
Yes, people watch porn, just because their faith is not so strong. A person who chants Hare Rama Hare Krishna for longer periods with strong faith definitely overcome the immoral urges.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others. One may ask what was Prophet Mo(PBUH) doing inside the grave of his aunt and why did he marry a 9 yr old girl and infinite questions. Sorry, I don't want to disrespect anyone respectful. You cant analyse the God by using Worldly subjects like Physics, Chemistry, Biology mathematics or History, simply believe Him as you believe you are the son of your own father and not any other person.

Anonymous said...

The exchanges appears like street dogs fighting.. Each one thinks he/she is an authority or posses knowledge about other's faith and belief. While, you guys are nothing but half-baked mad caps !!
Making disparaging comments about other religions is a sin. Statements like "Krishna is a seducer" shows clearly the level of understanding the esteemed person has. Pathetic.
IT WILL DO IMMENSE GOOD, IF STOP TALKING AND START PRACTICING OUR RESPECTIVE FAITH TRUE TO THEIR SPIRIT..

Anonymous said...

Right on.

Anonymous said...

Dear universal brothers,

I suggest u all who have commented on each other religions, to stop accusing each others beliefs. instead you should try to find the truth with the clear heart. plz we all are human and behave like humans. read the books and try to gain knowledge from that and compare them, then u should analyze and try to find the truth.
Yes i am a muslim and i have found the truth i.e., quran as far as i am concerned. but i suggest each and each evryone in this world to find the truth at least before you die. if you u think quran is true then start practising islam if not leave it but dont criticize other faith. why you want to create blogs and criticize each other religions. plz stop it hurts whether it is hindu or muslim or christians.

Anonymous said...

islam is NOT a idol worshipping religion it is a shaman religion a relegion which believe in the spirit world and the mullas talk to the spirits which they call as JINNS to solve your problems........they regularly visit the graves of the dead muslims and pray and talk to the dead bodies which act they call WASEELA to solve their problems........their prophet mohammed kissed and touched the black stone at kaaba and still now muslims during haj touch the black stone....during haj they sacrifice cattle to applease the spirits and HAJ is older to islam by around 2000 years

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Sageb1 said...

to discuss whether a religion is iol worshipping, this is a slippery slope to walk indeed!

both sides trying to make each other to feels shame, proselyting...

it saddens my heart that this kind of self righteousness is going on.

Venu, I feel your post is a troll, and sadly you caught a lot of fish! ;)


I will say that I am Buddhist, but know of God as the Absolute.

However, of this I say no more.

Why? Because worship is a personal and private act, and discussing it would bring out the biased and the prejudiced.

The Muslim brothers and sisters are pious, as are the Sanatadharma worshippers.

To argue like this only makes me hope no one is harming himself by wishing evil on the other! :o

You almost had me convinced, Venu, until the words of the Muslims proved antidote to your trolling.

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Anonymous said...

Oh well, Islam is narrow minded in the sense allah needs to be worshipped as a single entity- how do u define an entity who created whole universe? And you show no respect for the creations of allah including stone. Hindusim is broad minded in the fact the creator has left his imprint in the universe he created and we are living in it and are reminded of that single form in his creations.

David R Silva said...

Being a Catholic, I was searching for the real need of idol worship and found this fascinating article on the subject from a different dimension.

This is simply a must read as I can recommend

http://chandimagomes.blogspot.com/2012/05/worshiping-stones-trees-and-concrete.html

Anonymous said...

So can the stone from heaven be worshiped or kissed simply because it came from heaven?We believe everything in heaven and earth is created by God and no creation in heaven and earth should be worshiped. Only God is to be worshiped.

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Sajjeev Antony said...

You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, abrahamic believers never get it. All worship is idol worship -- and there are no exceptions. As you observed correctly, all idols are in our mind. I have published several articles and Quora answers in this regard, where I have explained the mechanism of worship.
https://www.quora.com/All-worship-is-idol-worship-Do-you-agree-or-disagree/answer/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5-%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80-Sajjeev-Antony

https://www.quora.com/I-am-Hindu-but-I-do-not-believe-in-idol-worship-Should-I-convert-to-Christianity-or-Islam/answer/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%B5-%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%9F%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80-Sajjeev-Antony